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kebz427
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.....seriously????   why? i can name many reasons why kids under  18 should not attend parties...
 
kebz427
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just trying to understand this better, i got used to electronic events being 18+. My first party in Pittsburgh threw me WAYYY off guard.
 
pablo814
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Alot of us older heads started well under 18. I'm 30 and have been going to parties since I was 14 or so. But yeah, spun out high school kids are never a good thing...
 
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satan
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when I started around 93 most folks under 18 that I saw were about 16, people younger then that attending raves was very little not like it is now.
Not saying it never happen just saying it wasn't as large scale as it is now.
I think there are a few factors in this.
Parenting has changed drastically, guys like me was a product of the 80s.
Most of us were what we called latchkey kids because our parents/or parent worked long hours and so when  we got home for school we had to pretty much made dinner for ourselves. It was a common thing for kids 8 years of age to early teens to be home by themselves and take care of themselves in the 80s so of course by the time we were young adults and late teens in the 90s we were pretty independent. Today if your kid is under the age of 13 and is home alone for more then 15 mins the cops are called and the parents are charged with neglect. Plus we grew up knowing a good ass beating. It wasn't unheard of to getting ass whooped, hair pulled or getting the belt. That kind of put the fear of god in us so there was some level of self control. We were also exposed to a lot less I think,today most exposure has been though social media, gen Y is definately the PORN generation this confllicts to the over uber conservative stance most parents try to take on. Since late 90's there has been a resurgence in censorship and parents coddling and sheltering kids this creates a huge controdiction leaving most kids confused and conflicted.  in short this made our generation way more mature then this generation so if you saw 16 year olds at a raves back in the 90s it was less unlikely to be noticed.  
Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation (or Millennials) are slightly more trusting of institutions, more naive, more excepting of pop culture.
"a 'post-emotional' generation. No anger, no edge, no ego with short attention spans eager to please adults.
My generation
the punks and slackers and devotees of hip-hop — rage, angst, nihilism, withdrawal — arose within the long stagnation that lasted from the early ’70s to the early ’90s
Generation Y-Z is/are hungry for some form of sub culture to call their own. its sad but because of cultural and economical differences they have become more consumer driven less independent, so they flock to things that most of them missed out on or what MTV or VH1 says is cool.
I Also think that there is more access to info via social media, not like us who had to hear about shit through word of mouth or a club.  more kids are on the inter-webs our generation the internet was young and not as widely used until about 97, this also has an impact on who is more likely to show up. Raves for all its debauchery that went on back in our day it was for the most part still kept very discreet until about the late 90's. Its now more exposed and out in the open.
All in all think this is why things need to 18+, remember maturity isn't defined by your actions but by how you handle those choices and actions and it seems that younger generations seems to be less concern with possible consequences of those actions let alone how it just looks to the outside world.
 
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tika
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half the crowd wouldn't be allowed in, aka promoters would lose money

thats why

i mean i can't talk too much shit because i started hella young, but at least i wore clothes
 
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mayday
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@ wemf 2001 i ran into some kid who was 12 he stole some of his brothers pills from home to make some money he made it into the party but somehow when he was in the party somehow they found out and actually kicked him out he was waiting for the bus back to toronto that was the youngest person i ever saw at a party
 
satan
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basically with large scale social media and 13+ youth being
1) consumer and pop culture driven
2) repressed by a conservative backlash in an increasingly open sexual society.
3)lack of disciplin
4)ADD
5)A modern culture is increasingly making the young old before their time.

Only little kids want to go to raves most adults would rather stay home.
Making raves 18+ would mean huge losses to most promoters, they would be better off doing club nights.
 
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  2. Dubstep: helping douchebags get laid since 03
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SARA
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I am so terrible at guessing people's ages. To me, unless people are older than me, I think they all look like they're 16 or younger. Meh.
 
DaNasty
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i luff underage girls
except when i fall asleep they fall in love
 
kaelaxxanne
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Post from mayday@ wemf 2001 i ran into some kid who was 12 he stole some of his brothers pills from home to make some money he made it into the party but somehow when he was in the party somehow they found out and actually kicked him out he was waiting for the bus back to toronto that was the youngest person i ever saw at a party
saw something similar to this at the gorge.
around 2 AM, these two completely spun 12 year old kids stumble up to our EZ Up on Shakedown. apparently, the one kid, at 12 years old, was manufacturing dmt and having his mom drop him and his friend off at festivals and shit to sell his wares.

the difference, i think, comes from the lack of a family feeling at parties and such. Obviously, i wasn't around for it when it was at its best, but i've heard/read much of the same from a lot of people.
in the good old days, younger kids coming into the scene had older heads to look up to, and to show them the way.
now it seems like more of a "figure it out yourself, idiot" feeling.
and some kids do. others, not so much.


but i guess it goes without saying that with the more recent generation, there's not as much of a filter. before, if you heard about a party/gathering, chances were it was because someone who thought you could handle it well told you/showed you. now kids can just stumble across the online ad and go without anyone really going, hey man, i don't think you're ready for this just yet.
*edit just realized mike said pretty much the same thing. sorry dude.
 
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satan
Member
younger kids coming into the scene had older heads to look up to, and to show them the way.
now it seems like more of a "figure it out yourself


Part of the reason for this started around 2002, Increasingly number of younger party goers really didn't like the direction that most older heads wanted to take the scene. Most of the older heads wanted to evolve and become more legit. there was deep resentment to that, mostly because the new kids coming in really came in to late and difficulty excepting change when they were just getting started. That resentment evolved to both ignorance and arrogance and most older heads saying the same thing in return. Its hard to trying to talk to these kids, even harder now. Most them think your too old and don't care what you think or see themselves as something different then we were.
Our music scene is dead, it died years ago. These kids go to raves because MTV says its cool and its a place to get drugs and laid. Music is really takes second stage, I think most of these kids would be just as happy if their buddy was dropping premixed cds at a house party. Most modern talent doesn't even dj anymore half the time. Most of it is laptops or people using serato mixers instead of beat matching with their ears. The art of the dj is a dying skill. Generic djs + Generic audience = mundane and lack luster raves.
 
  1. Raves, the one place ugly emo's girls go to feel hot,
  2. Dubstep: helping douchebags get laid since 03
  3. Only hipster trash listen to electro house!
  4. You don't have to dress like a slut to look sexy
www.FrankieBonesSucks.org
adam504
Premium Member
I started going to concerts at 16. Front row for KISS at the civic arena. I've seen the majority of all good metal shows back in the hayday. My crew were all much older but treated as an  equal cause I didn't act like an idiot. Fuck we used to sleep out for tickets all the time.  I had skateboarding and the mall. I've seen DRI and most punk and new wave too at a very early age . In fact my first record was back in black from ACDC . I was in third grade.  Guess that all never should of happened cause I was just a kid?????
 
adam504
Premium Member
And club nights haven't worked in pgh since the late 90's. Christ Clevr had how many great headliners at the casino for FREE and still no 21+ came. Guess they would rather just type on message boards. At least the kids come out. Just sayin
 
satan
Member
Post from adam504I started going to concerts at 16. Front row for KISS at the civic arena. I've seen the majority of all good metal shows back in the hayday. My crew were all much older but treated as an  equal cause I didn't act like an idiot. Fuck we used to sleep out for tickets all the time.  I had skateboarding and the mall. I've seen DRI and most punk and new wave too at a very early age . In fact my first record was back in black from ACDC . I was in third grade.  Guess that all never should of happened cause I was just a kid?????
Look the age difference man, I kind of covered that. Guys like you and me are in a totally different generation. Its exactly how you put it
I started going to concerts at 16. Front row for KISS at the civic arena. I've seen the majority of all good metal shows back in the hayday. My crew were all much older but treated as an  equal cause I didn't act like an idiot.

My Point Exactly!!
This current generation isnt like us Gen Xers.
Mellenials are very niave and try to hard to grow up too fast. Guys like you and me were making dinner for our selves and staying home alone at 10 because we had to not because we wanted to .  This is the coddle generation, most of them still dont know how to take care of themselves at 25 let alone at 10. Most of them want to be like adults but dont know how to be an adult.
 
  1. Raves, the one place ugly emo's girls go to feel hot,
  2. Dubstep: helping douchebags get laid since 03
  3. Only hipster trash listen to electro house!
  4. You don't have to dress like a slut to look sexy
www.FrankieBonesSucks.org
satan
Member
Post from adam504And club nights haven't worked in pgh since the late 90's. Christ Clevr had how many great headliners at the casino for FREE and still no 21+ came. Guess they would rather just type on message boards. At least the kids come out. Just sayin
BBT has been around since 2000 and still going on?
I think clevr's problem had more to with location then anything else. Who wants to pay for parking in the north shore? hell, From what I hear the casino charges an additional 50bucks just park in their lot if you dont plan on gambling..just saying.  
 
  1. Raves, the one place ugly emo's girls go to feel hot,
  2. Dubstep: helping douchebags get laid since 03
  3. Only hipster trash listen to electro house!
  4. You don't have to dress like a slut to look sexy
www.FrankieBonesSucks.org
adam504
Premium Member
I hear ya and def agree bout BBT. I would include Zlounge too. As for the casino  I didn't think i would like it there but it kinda was a cool spot. Open all night , plenty of clean bathrooms, nice bars, games if u do choose to gamble, and plenty of free parking. Was great to watch the people's faces walking past drum bar looking in like what the hell kinda music is that?!? Lol now they have dj scottro.
 
SARA
Moderator
Post from satanBBT has been around since 2000 and still going on?
I think clevr's problem had more to with location then anything else. Who wants to pay for parking in the north shore? hell, From what I hear the casino charges an additional 50bucks just park in their lot if you dont plan on gambling..just saying.  
Parking is always free for the casino on a regular day.  The only time you have to pay to park in the casino is when there is a game.
 
michaeL25
Member
The crowd was allot different when parties weren't advertized on the net!!!!  People used to selectively hand out fliers.
   The parties were different because things were done. different!!!
advertizing was taboo, leaving fliers at stores was taboo. Fliers were handed out. It was like that through the late 90's, for the most part.
    Nothing against Lolli. Or the other sites, but if you want a counter culture, (were kids are welcome) don't invite the main stream people, or their fucked up, spoiled kids!
   Kids should be allowed to attend the shows. The old heads should teach them how things have been done. So they can preserve the core fundamentals.
   Dj's  should go back to spinning vinyl!!!! That's what makes a rave!!!
I like this site, and the accessibility to the events, but this has contributed to the changes that have turned people off.
    If you invite main stream people, don,t get mad when they show up! I'm not as invested as I use to be, so the changes have been easier to accept.          
 
pablo814
Premium Member
Online
Post from satanLook the age difference man, I kind of covered that. Guys like you and me are in a totally different generation. Its exactly how you put it
I started going to concerts at 16. Front row for KISS at the civic arena. I've seen the majority of all good metal shows back in the hayday. My crew were all much older but treated as an  equal cause I didn't act like an idiot.

My Point Exactly!!
This current generation isnt like us Gen Xers.
Mellenials are very niave and try to hard to grow up too fast. Guys like you and me were making dinner for our selves and staying home alone at 10 because we had to not because we wanted to .  This is the coddle generation, most of them still dont know how to take care of themselves at 25 let alone at 10. Most of them want to be like adults but dont know how to be an adult.
I caught the tail end of genX and the beginning of genY, but IMO I have way more genX traits than genY. I agree about the coddle generation, those kids got the short end of the stick as far as self reliance is concerned. It seems like they can't decide WTF to make for dinner w/o making a FB poll about it, let alone any significant decision. This is probably why most of my good friends are at least 5 years older than me, we tend to do things on our own, but we also aren't afraid to ask for help for bigger things(moving or starting a business, for example), and we also don't flake out when we do say we are gonna do something...
 
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pablo814
Premium Member
Online
Post from adam504And club nights haven't worked in pgh since the late 90's. Christ Clevr had how many great headliners at the casino for FREE and still no 21+ came. Guess they would rather just type on message boards. At least the kids come out. Just sayin
This was more the casino's doing, as ppl were going to the club, but they weren't gambling as much as the casino wanted. Anytime a non-Vegas casino has a club or other attraction, it is to draw in people who normally wouldn't go to a casino, and try to get them to drop some coin on the games...
 
"Honey, I want to do something, we never do anything!" "We are doing something. I'm watching the game and eating a sandwich, and you are making me another sandwich!"
adam504
Premium Member
Post from pablo814This was more the casino's doing, as ppl were going to the club, but they weren't gambling as much as the casino wanted. Anytime a non-Vegas casino has a club or other attraction, it is to draw in people who normally wouldn't go to a casino, and try to get them to drop some coin on the games...
Agreed. I know they r there to make money but my point was that even for free to see some top headliners 21+ crowd is hard to get a large turnout. Some awesome nights there  still
 
incydeout
Member
I think it's bad juju to have underagers and of-agers mixed in a spot where people are trying to hook up.
 
michaeL25
Member
Post from incydeoutI think it's bad juju to have underagers and of-agers mixed in a spot where people are trying to hook up.
You may be right.
In Europe, the kids aren't as sheltered, as a result, they grow up better equipped to deal with this type of life style. Our society tries to make the black areas grey.
That's why I believe their needs to be a spiritual aspect to the seen. People should learn to respect there fellow humans, not exploit them.    
 
incydeout
Member
Post from michaeL25You may be right.
In Europe, the kids aren't as sheltered, as a result, they grow up better equipped to deal with this type of life style. Our society tries to make the black areas grey.
That's why I believe their needs to be a spiritual aspect to the seen. People should learn to respect there fellow humans, not exploit them.    
Well, if you're going to get all philosophical, then yeah. Additionally, it seems arbitrary to draw such a line in the dirt as far as legality is concerned. But, party rules are much easier to change than law or culture.
 
satan
Member
Post from incydeoutWell, if you're going to get all philosophical, then yeah. Additionally, it seems arbitrary to draw such a line in the dirt as far as legality is concerned. But, party rules are much easier to change than law or culture.
make partys 18+ is one solution
but If you do make it all ages get rid of the alcohol and put on the flier "dress code inforced, No shirt, No pants, No shoes ..NO ENTRY"
 
  1. Raves, the one place ugly emo's girls go to feel hot,
  2. Dubstep: helping douchebags get laid since 03
  3. Only hipster trash listen to electro house!
  4. You don't have to dress like a slut to look sexy
www.FrankieBonesSucks.org
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